tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post4501017598048006828..comments2024-03-05T22:14:08.004+05:30Comments on EX-SERVICEMEN WELFARE: THANK THEM FOR OROP ORDERS ISSUED? - UNDERTAKE A TRUE UN-BIASED INTROSPECTION/ANALYSYS TO IMPROVISATION/RECTIFICATIONGaviniVNhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10714898741094006636noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-5700608252628601752016-03-03T08:07:20.574+05:302016-03-03T08:07:20.574+05:30My first point is : One Rank One Pension should si...My first point is : One Rank One Pension should simply mean that all who retired in same rank (example : Major) should receive same pension (Rupees " X " per month). There has to be a correlation between " X " and the scale of pay of a Major in active service. Kindly note that the number of years of service in the same rank is not considered.<br /><br />My second point is : If The One Rank One Pension is to be complicated with incorporating total length of service or with length of service in the same rank, then it is not OROP. <br /><br />J J R DavidAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-44154228013278404992016-02-11T12:32:23.435+05:302016-02-11T12:32:23.435+05:30Circular 555 is like circular 547 for pbor.Circular 555 is like circular 547 for pbor.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14898583897224442814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-39149945899154174882016-02-11T12:28:26.798+05:302016-02-11T12:28:26.798+05:30A PBOR who served 21 years and above should be giv...A PBOR who served 21 years and above should be given next higher rank pension like Major 21 years of service who granted next rank pension ie Lt Col.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14898583897224442814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-19226637070004719572016-02-09T23:07:10.643+05:302016-02-09T23:07:10.643+05:30We must involve the world communities for our degr...We must involve the world communities for our degraded status otherwise nothing is going to be changed. There are people still enjoying the divide and rule policy, otherwise we also could have become a developed nation by now. I think some people get enjoyment, if the subordinate staffs fight among themselves. The out side world comes to know the rank structures and some category of people's ego gets boosted up. The demand will be more then.<br />It is an age old British tactics. More the problems less will be country's development. Till we treat every citizens equally, we are not going to be treated at par with the developed nations. If our leaders are satisfied with that, let them degrade the subordinate rank's status. Let the higher ranks, politicians enjoy with their good salaries and the PBORs cry in empty stomachs. Only God can save this country. No one else.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-81206586197888228562016-02-08T19:51:57.259+05:302016-02-08T19:51:57.259+05:30Sir,
We are fools & remain so.Educate our ...Sir,<br /> We are fools & remain so.Educate our young ones not to join.Siachisn will not occur for further<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02990303843514973486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-59742260121992810472016-02-06T20:29:49.576+05:302016-02-06T20:29:49.576+05:30Welcome d decision
Every body can't b satisfi...Welcome d decision <br />Every body can't b satisfied Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14590485960950524893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-80721048515775752262016-02-06T19:47:21.647+05:302016-02-06T19:47:21.647+05:30I appreciate effort put in by Col Bala to review O...I appreciate effort put in by Col Bala to review OROP Tables.It may appear reasonable in totality(without rectification of projected anomalies by ESM groups).A large number of errors have crept into the Tables of PBOR.Amoung officers category,worst injustice is done to pre2006 Majors with 13-20 years service.Two officers with 13 yrs service-one pre2006 and other post 2006(so Lt Col) have a difference in pension of about RS. 10000-00.Very strange and against natural justice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-3274269816341612332016-02-06T16:10:46.391+05:302016-02-06T16:10:46.391+05:30No one is interested in PBOR, use and throw formul...No one is interested in PBOR, use and throw formula is being adopted by our senior leadership and also politicians. When country needs bravery and victory then JCOs and Jawans are required to blow blood in fore front borders, but when any welfare then senior leadership is benefited and PBOR are forever left behind the wall. Govt should open eyes, when everyone will come to know their right and duty then there will be no control. So wake up all thinker and scholars for respect and benefit PBOR Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-33653081051714779672016-02-06T13:17:58.108+05:302016-02-06T13:17:58.108+05:30What for? First go through the Table; understand y...What for? First go through the Table; understand your benefit!!!H.Lt KN NAIRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01914553938061777339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-67161087519371611652016-02-06T12:17:19.156+05:302016-02-06T12:17:19.156+05:30JCOs/OR have been betrayed. Officers can enjoy as ...JCOs/OR have been betrayed. Officers can enjoy as usual. PM Modi has not been appraised of the facts.why this 7500 cr budget if govt has only such an increase for jcos/orsH.Lt KN NAIRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01914553938061777339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-26167027210446191662016-02-06T12:01:05.316+05:302016-02-06T12:01:05.316+05:30OROP table is pro officers and they are much benef...OROP table is pro officers and they are much benefited whereas jcos/OR have very marginal increase up to rs 1000 or less.why we did agitation with offrcers<br />H.Lt KN NAIRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01914553938061777339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-14222092337573618802016-02-06T11:21:40.440+05:302016-02-06T11:21:40.440+05:30Col. Don't bother about pbor. For ex. Take my ...Col. Don't bother about pbor. For ex. Take my self I am an x group JCO with 28 years service. The new table give me 100 rupees more in my basic.I want to ask if I died before 2018 is there any meaning OROP for me.For this we were fought for orop or fought for the benifit of officer category.col. statement is absolutely wrong. Wherever the payment is not the matter but what is the meaning of orop. He forget the sole and he comparing himself with secretaries that is his aim.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17769378798705275643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-59781335187981793472016-02-06T10:50:23.648+05:302016-02-06T10:50:23.648+05:30Only imaginary figures have been given in the tabl...Only imaginary figures have been given in the table of pbor, no formula adopted for service. A Hav who served for 15 years service is getting equal pension who completed 24 years of service. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14898583897224442814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-56446613003085043812016-02-06T10:49:59.360+05:302016-02-06T10:49:59.360+05:30Only imaginary figures have been given in the tabl...Only imaginary figures have been given in the table of pbor, no formula adopted for service. A Hav who served for 15 years service is getting equal pension who completed 24 years of service. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14898583897224442814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-39464723843276202202016-02-06T10:24:43.810+05:302016-02-06T10:24:43.810+05:30It is quite likely that wrong tables for implement...It is quite likely that wrong tables for implementation of OROP have been issued deliberately, so that people will protest and Government will ask for more time to correct them.LT.COL.(RETD) K.B.MATHURhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09448185714665532013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-18831531665115232302016-02-06T10:14:49.819+05:302016-02-06T10:14:49.819+05:30True, by speaking the anomalies in the OROP orders...True, by speaking the anomalies in the OROP orders concerning the officers in senior rank alone, the senior veteran officers are at fault. For the time let them not concentrate of the ego problems and give their helping hand to correct the injustice to the PBOR veterans. Fight for the teeth of the forces.please.Manoharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04398056746166406979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-56921867051643582522016-02-06T10:10:54.399+05:302016-02-06T10:10:54.399+05:30As you said, More can be done if we get on to stud...As you said, More can be done if we get on to study and correct the OROP proposal before us instead of sitting at the venue of protest at Jantar Mantar. We can still ask the judicial commission to recommend our other points of difference to rectify the diluted OROP implementation. Any anomalies raised with the RM and FM are to be sorted out through discussions. All we require is not confrontation, but a solution for the betterment of the veteran lot. All the veteran associations must come to end the impasse.<br />Manoharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04398056746166406979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-70687314668569159632016-02-06T09:56:33.325+05:302016-02-06T09:56:33.325+05:30When did they(officers) speak for Jawans?When did they(officers) speak for Jawans?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-61782774207045944532016-02-06T09:55:02.290+05:302016-02-06T09:55:02.290+05:30There are more discrepancies than what you expecte...There are more discrepancies than what you expected.<br />Had the 6th CPC recommendations were implemented properly,then OROP problems could have benn reduced to 95% and there would be a clear vision on the deficiencies and disparities.Now start searching the black cat not in the dark but in the pitch dark Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-14889970746739425492016-02-06T08:17:20.584+05:302016-02-06T08:17:20.584+05:30I fully concur and agree with you views.Hope our s...I fully concur and agree with you views.Hope our suggestions / recommendatins will be taken in the right spirit.<br />RamaniAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06833137269758782934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-41867335722274406752016-02-06T07:35:12.660+05:302016-02-06T07:35:12.660+05:30Now you can start building the nation.Now your sto...Now you can start building the nation.Now your stomach is full.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-80134093528873514012016-02-06T07:32:17.112+05:302016-02-06T07:32:17.112+05:30Col Balakrishnan got his lion'share share,Let ...Col Balakrishnan got his lion'share share,Let anybody else go hell.I have been watching and writing in this blog for quite sometimes.Whenever the topic is discussed with the Govt and or in media hardly any non officer cadre jawan is asked to speak.Only Lt Col and above will be asked questions and invariably that officer will speak for his rank.Col Balakrishnan can not deny this.<br /> Col Balakrishnan like people were gentlemen cadtes once,they became officers and they never become gentlemen again in their life.They remain officers.<br />Col Balakrishnan how you were promoted upto the rank of the pesent one.To become a Col.what sort of training you have to undergo,I do not know.But I read only and of course I have not witnessed.Way back in 1980ies,in Readers Digest or in some other magazine,I do not remember exactly.It was written about the promotions of officers in Chinese Army.To get promoted as an officer, the very first training for him is, the officer is sent to Soldiers Barack.He has to live a life of a soldier for some times,wearing the uniform of sepoy,naik and havildar and so on,till JCO.Then he would be asked to pen down his experience.This training is compulsory and without this training he will never be promoted.It is a laid down rule in Chinese Army.<br />I would appreciate Col Balakrishnan,had he spoken about his jawans and if their legitimate demand is fulfilled.<br /> Always the the letters from MOd are addressed to the three Chiefs who are occupying the glorious offices with the civilian battalions,clerk, typists and admin officers.The letters are also addressed to the PCDAPENSION.They interpret the contents in their own sense always always not to the benefit of the soldiers.In 5th CPC they refused to implement what the committee explicitly recommended.They wantedly discontinued the pension rules of PBORs namely taking the notional maximum,in the case of less than 28 years.In 6th CPC too they completely ignored the recommendations and the aftermath is a history,you are aware.In 6th CPC did not follow the simple pension rules although the rule of notional maximum is still alive and not changed.For example I am a JCO,x group.The corresponding pay scale for me is PB2 9300-34800.<br />Had the PCDAPENSION followed the simple pension rule taking the notional maximum for calculation of the pension of all the jawans who had less than 33 year of service,nobody would have gone to court.They did not do that.When they realised they had committed a serious mistake,they wanted to cover it up in the name of bridging the gap in pension of Jawans.They covered it up by appointing cabinet secretaries committee and played game as if they give alms to jawans.What the Service Chief did then.Why the letters are sent to them?What do they do with them? Who is the Godfather for us.Please remember, in this so called orop my pesnion is fixed as 12895.But if the 6th CPC recommendation that 50% of last pay drawn is the pension for PBORS who had more than 20 or more year of service,I am eligible for Rs 13590.Like me there will be lakhs of pensioner who are affected. You "the saviour of the soldiers",what you done or spoken atleast for me like people. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-38070697874312714132016-02-06T07:14:51.265+05:302016-02-06T07:14:51.265+05:30It is quite likely that wrong implementation table...It is quite likely that wrong implementation tables for OROP have been issued deliberately, so that people will protest and Government will ask for more time to correct them.LT.COL.(RETD) K.B.MATHURhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09448185714665532013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-50680645853052448142016-02-06T06:59:52.180+05:302016-02-06T06:59:52.180+05:30Sub Maj Pal Singh Kurali. The worthy Colonel is ex...Sub Maj Pal Singh Kurali. The worthy Colonel is extremely happy with the issue of OROP tables because he and his brother officers have been equated with. the status of senior IAS officers. He has failed to. have a look at the tables of JCOs/OR. The honourable RM has changed OROP for JCOs/OR to One Rank Two Groups and Two Pensions. Dear Colonel, Oh! Sorry, Colonel. Saheb please do not be afraid of being called ' Jai Chand" That is the fear of your inner guilt. Anyway thank you for your suggestion to thank the govt. Kindly read just one glaring. anomaly where a Naik if Y group will be getting the same pension ie. Rs 7170. from 7 years to 28 years service. Anyway we the JCOs/OR. would like to have an independent. approach to get the real OROP as approved in the Parliament. The. division of JCOs/OR into groups for the purpose of granting pension is deplorable. For them the efforts of 42 years have gone. ss waste of time and money. Only the officers have been rewarded for chanting the Mantra 'Sada Hak Aethe Rakh, " Bolo Mera Bharat Mahan". Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06889050848078493883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-77686302449101347772016-02-06T05:13:17.517+05:302016-02-06T05:13:17.517+05:30It is a very sane advice that most of the OROP de...It is a very sane advice that most of the OROP demands have been conceded rather going to be implemented.We should give credit to GOING & for the anomalies must talk & put up with the Judicial Commission.If some 20% job is left we musthink not discredit the rest 80%.I congratulate Maj.Gen Satbir Singh & colleagues for fighting for OROP cause successfully. If something is amiss we should talk it over rather than create a bad taste.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14552365969537137887noreply@blogger.com