tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post6564912142355875410..comments2024-03-05T22:14:08.004+05:30Comments on EX-SERVICEMEN WELFARE: ARMED FORCES' PAY-AND-RANK PARITY : PMO TOLD DEFENCE MINISTRY TO GET FORCES INVOLVED IN POLICY : MOD DID OPPOSITE :: BY LT GEN PRAKASH KATOCH (RETD)GaviniVNhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10714898741094006636noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-2619142063847267142016-11-03T18:38:03.025+05:302016-11-03T18:38:03.025+05:30Mr Ram and Mr Akshay, Please do not mix up the imp...Mr Ram and Mr Akshay, Please do not mix up the importance of leadership of an organisation or your relationship as soldier in preaching. What is happening in armed force ,all of us are experiencing. <br />In human , taking advantage of power given by the nation for the security of the country, highest discrimination, highest human rights violation are added with the leadership.<br /><br />For example. <br /><br />Using men, class 3 employees, as sevadaries, shame!<br />Pay of MWO much lower than buddy officer, <br />I never can see such discrimination in any organisation. <br />15 yearS of service was okay, at least one can go out side and restore his carrier. But IAF cunningly extended initial engagement to 20 years. A diploma soldier is equal to a sepoy now, class 3 employee , not even equal to the status of civil diploma holder status in 20 years of initial engagement. Where is your affection and sympathy on soldiers taking up this matter.Did you ever bring such a huge injustice and such many other equivalents any where. Where as officers salary is much higher than civilian officers. You are worried about status! Here we are crying for survival! lack of self esteem, please study below and help in bring justice. Talk for them. Your status must be down and men status should go up now. See my my justification below. Ref USAF.<br /><br />Please study the US AF pay scale . Accordingly salary of MWO is higher than a Lt. Col and less than Group captain. They respect experience rather than paper qualification or competitive exams. <br /><br />Accordingly a buddy officer's salary is equal to a JWO/Nk Sub. CC commission can be from HAV onwards the way they are doing it now.<br />25 years MWO's skills respected at par with Lt Col of 11-13 years.<br />Now commissioned officers are enjoing time scales up to Col in 5 level a level 2nd Lt rank has been abolished. Earlier very hardly they became Lt. col before retirement. <br /><br />Similerly reduce the level/ rank of PBOR<br /><br />L1 - Training - AC, LAC is not a rank, classification only<br />L2 - Naik/Cpl - this is the actual rank in IAF<br />L3 - Hav/Sgt (and direct diploma entry)<br />L4 - JWO/Nb Sub (off L1) Lt same salary<br />L5 - WO/Sub (off L2) Capt<br />L6 - MWO -3 (off L3) Maj)<br />L7 - MWO-2 (off L4 Lt.Col) <br />L8 - Chief MWO (O-5 ) Col)<br /> <br /> ( O- 6 Brig)<br />( O- 7 Major Gen)<br />( O- 8 Lt Gen)<br />( O- 9 Lt Gen app)<br />( O- 10 Gen )<br /><br />Please refer the salary of MWO with Lt.Col of US AF<br />Please Search in google.<br />Each buddy officer should work under WO for two years on probation.They do not know anything other than very old theory . Please follow other services or armed forces to know more about it<br /><br />Single mess, same toilet, mixed quarters, no separate queues. This is what US AF.<br />Your discrimination one day will be quetioned.<br />Wait for that day!<br /><br />Even Sgt flies aircrafts in RAF, need not be commissioned officers.Mrbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08585975028433727918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-44565255487126093232016-11-02T23:08:48.377+05:302016-11-02T23:08:48.377+05:30All those who think that present Govt ie PM Modi i...All those who think that present Govt ie PM Modi is not worried about status of Army and PM and RM are responsible for downgrading the status of Armed Forces are mistaken .RSS and those connected can not do so.Since the issue of OROP and status of Armed Forces was compromised since independence and it is first time that PM has tried to remove anomalies and implemented OROP.Any issue which is not still resolved will be resolved in due course since intention of PM and BJP is pro Armed Forces.<br />In my opinion it is the strategy to sort out babus and others because public will back soldiers in its war of status against civilians.Lets wait and watch.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02085349234976407066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-35226467905159019702016-11-02T22:34:03.289+05:302016-11-02T22:34:03.289+05:30Why discrimination then, using them as sevadaries...Why discrimination then, using them as sevadaries at home, you go and learn the culture of other armed forcentre . For example US AF. Where is the love when you raise demand. Mrbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08585975028433727918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-1903131302059270772016-11-02T22:08:50.460+05:302016-11-02T22:08:50.460+05:30Any one talking about British time Sub Maj ,JCO ra...Any one talking about British time Sub Maj ,JCO rank perhaps does not know the organisational structure .A Jawan reaches to the rank of JCO and Sub Maj by his hard work and even if he has more potential he can become commissioned officer .This British system ruled the world it is the responsibility of Nation to look after its soldiers.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02085349234976407066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-85514482152963598492016-11-02T21:55:58.664+05:302016-11-02T21:55:58.664+05:30Very rightly pointed outVery rightly pointed outAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02085349234976407066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-43008731192218850462016-11-02T12:51:40.329+05:302016-11-02T12:51:40.329+05:30Very funny arguments no where to goVery funny arguments no where to goAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07895857093543883922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-12249213483424715132016-11-02T07:21:00.549+05:302016-11-02T07:21:00.549+05:30dont worry. in our country dictatorial sense neve...dont worry. in our country dictatorial sense never work whoever think. only ballot power works. clouted democracy well aware of this. let anybody write. we can learn something out of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-70015650991434613232016-11-02T00:29:51.592+05:302016-11-02T00:29:51.592+05:30This story is for all those self proclaimed leader...This story is for all those self proclaimed leaders who feel they are fighting against the tide (or any other worthwhile activity).<br /><br />THE STORY OF THE CRAB BUCKET<br /><br />One time a man was walking along the beach and say another man fishing in the surf with a bait bucket beside him. As he drew closer, he saw that the bait bucket had no lid and had live crabs inside.<br />"Why don't you cover your bait bucket so the crabs won't escape?", he said.<br />"You don't understand.", the man replied, "If there is one crab in the bucket it would surely crawl out very quickly. However, when there are many crabs in the bucket, if one tries to crawl up the side, the others grab hold of it and pull it back down so that it will share the same fate as the rest of them."<br /><br />So it is with people. If one tries to do something different, get better grades, improve herself, escape her environment, or dream big dreams, other people will try to drag her back down to share their fate.<br /><br />Moral of the story: Stop pulling each other ,,,, the day is not too far when we the 'Armed Forces Personnel' are going to loose all what we have left with. kbkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08991023826988294771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-25264343970229113352016-11-01T22:14:16.405+05:302016-11-01T22:14:16.405+05:30Mr B Singh are you part of Army if you are then yo...Mr B Singh are you part of Army if you are then you do not understand officer man relationship which can not be seprated since they play together and fight together .You seem to be part of such organisation where something is wrong between various echelons or where people do not work by discipline.Army has to be lead by Military leadership you want to dilute discipline so that people run away when crisis come in the way.You know Army is lead by officers from the front .Do you want to create subversion in Defence.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02085349234976407066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-46756110464592701192016-11-01T22:01:19.817+05:302016-11-01T22:01:19.817+05:30Dear Sir,
Whoever is writing comments, differentin...Dear Sir,<br />Whoever is writing comments, differenting officers and men is not aware of their relationship.Armed forces specially Army is the way of soldier life .Here officers or PBOR are first soldiers and then comes their ranks which is demand of profession.Anyone who can have concern for its men is the officer either it is battlefield or peace. Therefore it seems a propaganda as a part of subversive act to create rift and demotivate army to break its morale.So any one talks separately for PBOR is not their wellwisher ,infact it is the intention to break wellknit structure of Army.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02085349234976407066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-20507432972557388292016-11-01T20:01:13.040+05:302016-11-01T20:01:13.040+05:30Brothren remember no system, org and institution c...Brothren remember no system, org and institution can neither function nor flrourish without leadership. We will have to abide and acknowledge the fact that officers are selected through a set rule provisioned under the constitution.we should respect them avoid to criticise in public platform like this.of course we have got every right to point out the humiliating conduct of officer community. I am optimistic enough to realise that the majority officers today maintain and try to live well within auth Protocol and command their teams accordingly as well.IRam Singh Kharayathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09114037282587698107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-62349672269605564422016-11-01T17:07:27.408+05:302016-11-01T17:07:27.408+05:30How many raised points are in favour of PBORs? Whe...How many raised points are in favour of PBORs? Where is the respect of the oaths taken on the name of constitution? Thanks God, we have a civilian government. I request to PM sir, please discard all the colonial rules and more involvement of civilian officers on the defence matters. I have seen three pay commissions and every successive pay commissions have degraded the status of the PBORs. IHow many raised points are in favour of PBORs? Where is the respect of the oaths taken on the name of constitution? Thanks God, we have a civilian government. I request to PM sir, please discard all the colonial rules and more involvement of civilian officers on the defence matters. I have seen three pay commissions and every successive pay commissions have degraded the status of the PBORs. I can’t hope anything from this pay commission also. Ultimately the PBORs are not going to get anything. The demand for increase of MSP for the JCOs is an afterthought. Well calculated move. If out of ten demands this demand is not accepted by the government, the rest nine demands will benefit only a particular community.<br />I have full faith on our PM and DM sir and also on all the bureaucrats. Please implement the 7th pay commission for the poor veterans as early as possible. We are in dire need of money to run our family as we get very very less pension and few thousands rupees as arrears will be always beneficial for us.<br /><br />I also request the electronic and print media, don’t always write articles for the officers. Think for the poor PBORs who are 97% in Armedforce and write some articles for them also. You will get more respect and the poor veterans will talk about you. Straighten your backbone and be impartial always and every time. can’t hope anything from this pay commission also. The demand for increase of MSP for the JCOs is an afterthought. Well calculated move. If out of ten demands this demand is not accepted by the government, the rest nine demands will benefit only a particular community.<br />I have full faith on our PM and DM sir and also on all the bureaucrats. Please implement the 7th pay commission for the poor veterans as early as possible. <br /><br />I also request the electronic and print media, don’t always write articles for the officers. Think for the poor PBORs who are 97% in Armedforce and write some articles after understanding them. Straighten your backbone and be impartial always and every time.Mrbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08585975028433727918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-58247239548433341542016-11-01T16:58:24.274+05:302016-11-01T16:58:24.274+05:30To whom Mr Dev?To whom Mr Dev?Mrbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08585975028433727918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-60248649703235020722016-11-01T16:50:00.150+05:302016-11-01T16:50:00.150+05:30Demand from Ex Veterans
1. MSP of PBOR to be revi...Demand from Ex Veterans<br /><br />1. MSP of PBOR to be revised<br />2. Bottom scales to be multiplied by index 3<br />3. Diploma X group should start with a rank of JWO and 4 years after WO and cancell X gp pay system, with grade pay 4200 equal to civil( old)<br />In army and navy, diploma personal are given JCO/PO, over the status and money they get X gp pay too.<br />5. Either follow US AF pay system or come back to 3 or 4 CPC, in which JWO salary equal to an entry level officer. Day and night difference of Army and IAF in benifits. What a strange thing! it is<br />6. Stop discrimination - in mess, canteen, Echs, accommodation etc. Never miss use men for there personal use.<br />7. Stop officers ration<br />8. In every officers are given much privileges over men and mem' status, salary, other issues Unheard . These all injustice are accumulated now and see the out burst of men in social media. Please Do not bow before military leaders. They are not sincere to their men.Mrbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08585975028433727918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-86699047666398970202016-11-01T16:43:09.390+05:302016-11-01T16:43:09.390+05:30Demand from Ex Veterans
1. MSP of PBOR to be revi...Demand from Ex Veterans<br /><br />1. MSP of PBOR to be revised<br />2. Bottom scales to be multiplied by index 3<br />3. Diploma X group should start with a rank of JWO and 4 years after WO and cancell X gp pay system, with grade pay 4200 equal to civil( old)<br />In army and navy, diploma personal are given JCO/PO, over the status and money they get X gp pay too.<br />5. Either follow US AF pay system or come back to 3 or 4 CPC, in which JWO salary equal to an entry level officer. Day and night difference of Army and IAF in benifits. What a strange thing! it is<br />6. Stop discrimination - in mess, canteen, Echs, accommodation etc. Never miss use men for there personal use.<br />7. Stop officers ration<br />8. In every officers are given much privileges over men and mem' status, salary, other issues Unheard . These all injustice are accumulated now and see the out burst of men in social media. Please Do not bow before military leaders. They are not sincere to their men.Mrbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08585975028433727918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-13619781965324333622016-11-01T16:37:15.791+05:302016-11-01T16:37:15.791+05:30Are you men or officer. If you are a men get insig...Are you men or officer. If you are a men get insight about yourself. If your are officer it is expected. Keep going. You cannot do anything neither increase penny nor decrease. what mater is your attitude. THERE are several men issues, did you see any an officer(military leadership not you) taking up the the thing other than your status and allowance.Mrbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08585975028433727918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-45952263034421084392016-11-01T16:30:22.440+05:302016-11-01T16:30:22.440+05:30First I thank blogger publishing my commence.
Mr. ...First I thank blogger publishing my commence.<br />Mr. Anonymose must understand why it is the only issue which is being discussed. Now you read my below mailMrbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08585975028433727918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-16570168714483267592016-11-01T14:53:15.535+05:302016-11-01T14:53:15.535+05:30Dear sir ,
Officers were singing in one tune SubM...Dear sir , <br />Officers were singing in one tune SubMaj and JCO,s EQV ranks to be down graded it is becoming difficult to command by a commanding officer . British officers having no problem for any crime JCO's will be charge sheet by sub area commander now by commanding officer . Why not officers status to be downgraded ? officers may create problems to the elected Govt if having higher status than civil officers. They must be down graded only then JCO's and EQV ranks will be satisfied for tit for tat action .<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10583856358365262772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-16272052136625218572016-11-01T14:42:41.766+05:302016-11-01T14:42:41.766+05:30Dear sir,
I am regret to say that officers are cry...Dear sir,<br />I am regret to say that officers are crying for himself only for NFU , Status equal to the IAS/IPS . You have nothing for the PBOR even a single word for upgradation status of PBOR. The Govt should not involve defence officers in any committee at all . <br />PBOR's will not support at all .Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10583856358365262772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-47110273350227457342016-11-01T10:33:02.902+05:302016-11-01T10:33:02.902+05:30Besides ,press & media ,some persons (may or m...Besides ,press & media ,some persons (may or may not be veterans) are creating controversies on imaginary ,untenable ,& non-existant issues with in mily of different grades.!<br />The blog owner ,a veteran (Sgt Menon),has created a great forum for one and all to facilitate several issues of mily.<br />It is a great service .He should be appreciated ,rather than blaming him for not encouraging &supporting some jaganda type.<br />Retrospect and come to terms with universal reality.balahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08915831413555890997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-89332717714389443672016-11-01T09:19:14.852+05:302016-11-01T09:19:14.852+05:30Gen sahab ram ram ,
It would be of great signific...Gen sahab ram ram ,<br /><br />It would be of great significance so as to question the sincerity ,sense of unity and integrity and even more sense of responsibility and accountability of IAS of this nation through the following:<br /><br />What was the intention of def Secy to delay IMPLEMENTATION of 7th CPC benefits to armed forces pensioners?<br /><br />What prompted def Secy to seek rank parity with armed forces offrs for his junior offrs at this juncture?<br /><br />Why def acct dept supplied fake/false data to 7th CPC,did he exercise his influence so as to downgrade top echlon of mil leadership?<br /><br />Why disability pension was questioned/made controversial? <br /><br />Why concerted objection of tri services chief was lightened?<br /><br />Through these questions:<br /><br />Kahin aisa to nahi,<br /><br />Vested interest/hostile designs have surfaced/penetrated IAS hence they intentionally trying to achieve downgradation and demoralisation in top mil leadership of the country.<br /><br />Time have come when retired mil community should question the monopolised immunity being enjoyed by IAS of this who have time again failed to deliver in critical sit like flood in chennai but shown ever interested to overpower other services like armed forces of the country.<br /><br />I am a proud sainik of Indian army who have full faith on leadership.Ram Singh Kharayathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09114037282587698107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-43153714925625972812016-11-01T08:01:39.166+05:302016-11-01T08:01:39.166+05:30Excellent views sir.... Excellent views sir.... Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08349417643982664002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-15619005411939450192016-11-01T00:02:13.279+05:302016-11-01T00:02:13.279+05:30Mr Dayal says I quote "if status of officers ...Mr Dayal says I quote "if status of officers improves it automatically has beneficial fall out on PBOR status also"... wah what a funny reply. Some times back in response to a blog a Sub Maj had written " I have put in 30 years of service and my son, 21 years just commissioned as Lt,got integrated into the system on day first and he is just picking up the rudiment of military service. I am just an 'outsider' still even after 30 years of service.What the author of this article wants to say about this British legacy?Rajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11681126728871813178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-24144232622414727692016-10-31T22:29:33.690+05:302016-10-31T22:29:33.690+05:30Agreed. Denial of OROP is denial of whatever PM sa...Agreed. Denial of OROP is denial of whatever PM says or said- make in India, Swach Bharat or our credit rating. Services are aspirational.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265465571843712340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8660791779547883173.post-63946942507252937752016-10-31T21:36:51.451+05:302016-10-31T21:36:51.451+05:30today a news appeared in leading news paper regard...today a news appeared in leading news paper regarding fin implecation on orop yet implemented. but ironicaly in the box of that news teachers ongoing strike at jharkhand for wantof pms intervention. where in india teachers are paid high salary indeed very few. schools are since privatised. all teachers are getting below 5000/- salary. equating this with af pers salary/pension is a mischievious attitude of print media. look things have gone such extent. very pathetic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com