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Copy of
presentation submitted by PCDA (P) Allhabad during the meeting held on 24.4.19
in the chamber of JS (ESW) by Sh A K Malviya, SAO.
Slide 1
: New OROP -- In 7th CPC
: If base year
is 2018
Slide 2 : Hqrs Office
requested MoD, the following clarifications for doing preparatory works for
next OROP:
(a) Whether
same methodology for calculating the OROP rate viz. Average of min & max
pension
(b) What is
base year from which data of current retirees is to be used.
(c) The date of
effect of next round of OROP.
(d) The report
of OMJC is pending with MoD, whether any recommendation is to be factored into
new calculations.
Slide 3
: After
OROP, 7th CPC has recommended two formulations without
factoring impact of OROP orders
I – multiplying
by index factor of 2.57 & revision has been done by PDAs.
II – Notional
pay fixation method through PPO.
Slide 4
: HQrs office has brought following points
to Ministry
I - The
notional pay fixation formula brings all past pensioners to current rates,
almost as if they are serving under 7th CPC
This is also
the formula used in various Court judgments seeking to equate past pensioners
with current retirees. For example, Hon’ble Supreme Court judgment in SPS Vains
Vs UoI (2008) and in DS Nakara case.
As such it is
matter of consideration as to whether any logic exists to initiate the process
of OROP once pension of past and current pensioners has been equated w.e.f.
1.1.2016.
Slide 5
: II - The notional pay based revision of
defence pensioners has commenced. The final pension of past pensioners (as on
1.1.2016) is not available until this is completed. Therefore, data for
comparing past pensioners and current pensioner is incomplete to that extent.
III - The
application of multiplying factor to OROP pension has created an anomaly
whereby past pensioners are drawing higher pension than those who have retired
between 1.7.2014 to 31.12.2015 and post 1.1.2016 retirees.
If this anomaly
turns out to be widespread, the logic of revising pension of past retirees to
bring them to the level of current pensioners would not subsist.
Slide 6
Category
|
Period
|
No. of Data obtained from EDP
|
No. of data analysed
|
No. of cases where OROP is beneficial
|
ICOs
|
Post OROP 1.7.2014 to 31.12.2015
|
1246
|
1246
|
375
|
Post 7th CPC 1.1.2016 to March 2019
|
3296
|
3296
|
435
|
|
JCOs/ORs
|
Post OROP 1.7.2014 to 31.12.2015
|
57356
|
53276
|
27085
|
Post 7th CPC 1.1.2016 to March 2019
|
186381
|
180765
|
48647
|
Slide 7
: Contents illegible
Slide 8
: JCOs/ORs
Rank, Group & QS Comparison in proposed OROP based on live
data
|
Hav “Y”
QS = 24
|
Nb Sub “Y”
QS= 26
|
Sub “Y”
QS =28
|
Sub Maj “X”
QS = 30
|
Pension in New OROP based Live data of year 2018
|
21207
|
24250
|
30825
|
35425
|
OROP Rate x 2.57 as on 1.1.2016
|
20067
|
26741
|
31529
|
36340
|
Slide 9
: However the data of ICOs shows reverse pattern as under
Ranks & QS
Comparison in Proposed OROP based on live data
|
May
QS=24
|
Lt Col
QS=26
|
Colonel
QS=28
|
Brigadier
QS=30
|
Maj Gen
QS=35
|
Pension in New OROP based on live data of year 2018
|
53000
|
94100
|
100900
|
105850
|
109100
|
OROP Rate x 2.57 as on 1.1.2016
|
61208
|
84330
|
90542
|
95797
|
99621
|
Slide 10
: Comparative Statement of ICOs retired
after OROP but getting pension less than OROP Rate
Period
|
Retired in Post OROP (1.7.14 to 31.12.15)
|
||
Rank
|
Total No of Pensioners
|
No. of pensioners getting less than
OROP rate
|
%
|
Major
|
4
|
3
|
75.00%
|
Lt Col
|
255
|
197
|
77.25%
|
Col (TS)
|
505
|
62
|
12.28%
|
Colonel
|
266
|
32
|
12.03%
|
Brigadier
|
99
|
3
|
3.03%
|
Major General
|
92
|
76
|
82.61%
|
Lt Gen
|
2
|
2
|
100%
|
Lt Gen (HAG+)
|
23
|
0
|
0.00%
|
Total
|
1246
|
375
|
|
Slide 11
: Comparative Statement of PBOR retired
after OROP but getting pension less than OROP rate
Period
|
Retired in Post OROP (1.7.2014 to
31.12.2015)
|
||
Rank
|
Total No. of pensioners
|
No. of pensioners getting less than
OROP rate
|
%
|
Sep
|
291
|
122
|
41.92
|
Naik
|
3099
|
308
|
9.94
|
Hav
|
25839
|
3557
|
13.77
|
Naib Sub
|
12910
|
12307
|
95.33
|
Sub
|
9986
|
9843
|
98.57
|
Sub Major
|
1151
|
948
|
82.36
|
Total
|
53276
|
27085
|
|
Slide 12
:Also read :Inter-se priority
to the wards of Armed Forces personnel for admission to Medical/Professional /
Non-Professional Courses: DESW. Also
read :Mechanism for
Identification of non-Aadhaar holder defence pensioners/family pensioners and
cases where authentication fails: PCDA Circular
Comparative
Statement of PBOR retired after OROP but getting pension less than OROP rate
Period
|
Retired in Post OROP (1.1.2016 to
March 2019)
|
||
Rank
|
Total No. of pensioners
|
No. of pensioners getting less than
OROP rate
|
%
|
Sep
|
3510
|
70
|
1.99
|
Naik
|
18383
|
107
|
0.58
|
Hav
|
102714
|
308
|
0.30
|
Naib Sub
|
29596
|
23425
|
79.15
|
Sub
|
23319
|
22555
|
96.72
|
Sub Major
|
3243
|
2182
|
67.28
|
Total
|
180765
|
48647
|
|
Slide 13
:
Sepoy Group ‘Y’
|
|||||
QS
|
OROP rate
|
OROP x 2.57
|
Av of min & max (Yr 2018
|
OROP beneficial over 7th CPC
|
Beneficial amount
|
15
|
6665
|
17130
|
18275
|
||
16
|
6665
|
17130
|
15173
|
OROP beneficial
|
1957
|
17
|
6665
|
17130
|
15557
|
OROP beneficial
|
1573
|
18
|
6698
|
17214
|
18207
|
||
19
|
6783
|
17433
|
18378
|
||
20
|
6875
|
17669
|
19060
|
||
21
|
6875
|
17669
|
15613
|
OROP beneficial
|
2056
|
22
|
6875
|
17669
|
18150
|
||
Slide 14
Naik Group ‘Y’
|
|||||
QS
|
OROP rate
|
OROP x 2.57
|
Av of min & max ( 2018)
|
OROP beneficial over 7th CPC
|
Beneficial amount
|
17
|
7170
|
18427
|
19832
|
||
18
|
7170
|
18427
|
20307
|
||
19
|
7170
|
18427
|
20269
|
||
20
|
7170
|
18427
|
20582
|
||
21
|
7170
|
18427
|
20213
|
||
22
|
7170
|
18427
|
19107
|
||
23.5
|
7170
|
18427
|
20157
|
||
24
|
7170
|
18427
|
20438
|
||
Slide 15
Havildar Group ‘Y’
|
|||||
QS
|
OROP rate
|
OROP x 2.57
|
Av of min & max (2018)
|
OROP beneficial over 7th CPC
|
Beneficial amount
|
17
|
7598
|
19527
|
20907
|
||
18
|
7598
|
19527
|
21101
|
||
19
|
7693
|
19772
|
21407
|
||
20
|
7795
|
20034
|
21207
|
||
22
|
7795
|
20034
|
21950
|
||
24
|
7808
|
20067
|
21207
|
||
25
|
7808
|
20067
|
20463
|
||
26
|
7995
|
20548
|
20850
|
||
26.5
|
7995
|
20548
|
20325
|
OROP beneficial
|
223
|
35
|
22225
|
||||
36
|
22500
|
||||
37
|
22800
|
||||
38
|
22200
|
||||
Slide 16
Nb Subedar Group ‘Y’
|
|||||
QS
|
OROP rate
|
OROP x 2.57
|
Av of min & max (2018)
|
OROP beneficial over 7th CPC
|
Beneficial amount
|
22
|
9005
|
23143
|
24125
|
||
22.5
|
9338
|
23999
|
24125
|
||
23
|
9338
|
23999
|
24125
|
||
23.5
|
9338
|
23999
|
24475
|
||
24
|
9429
|
24233
|
24175
|
OROP beneficial
|
58
|
24.5
|
9652
|
24806
|
23550
|
OROP beneficial
|
1256
|
25
|
9733
|
25014
|
23550
|
OROP beneficial
|
1464
|
25.5
|
9946
|
25562
|
23550
|
OROP beneficial
|
2012
|
26
|
10405
|
26741
|
24250
|
OROP beneficial
|
2491
|
26.5
|
10415
|
26767
|
24175
|
OROP beneficial
|
2592
|
27
|
10415
|
26767
|
23825
|
OROP beneficial
|
2942
|
27.5.
|
10577
|
27183
|
25375
|
OROP beneficial
|
1808
|
28
|
10742
|
27607
|
18050
|
OROP beneficial
|
9557
|
Slide 17
Subedar Group ‘Y’
|
|||||
QS
|
OROP rate
|
OROP x 2.57
|
Average of min & max (Yr 2018
|
OROP beneficial over 7thCPC
|
Beneficial amount
|
17
|
7598
|
19527
|
20907
|
||
18
|
7598
|
19527
|
21101
|
||
19
|
7693
|
19772
|
21407
|
||
20
|
7795
|
20034
|
21207
|
||
22
|
7795
|
20034
|
21950
|
||
24
|
7808
|
20067
|
21207
|
||
25
|
7808
|
20067
|
20463
|
||
26
|
7995
|
20548
|
20850
|
||
26.5
|
7995
|
20548
|
20325
|
OROP beneficial
|
223
|
35
|
22225
|
||||
36
|
22500
|
||||
37
|
22800
|
||||
38
|
22200
|
||||
Slide 18
Subedar Major Group ‘Y’
|
|||||
QS
|
OROP rate
|
OROP x 2.57
|
Av of min & max (2018)
|
OROP beneficial over 7th CPC
|
Beneficial amount
|
24
|
12565
|
32293
|
33100
|
||
25
|
12565
|
32293
|
30700
|
OROP beneficial
|
1593
|
26
|
12565
|
32293
|
30700
|
OROP beneficial
|
1593
|
27
|
12565
|
32293
|
32500
|
||
28
|
12757
|
32786
|
31725
|
OROP beneficial
|
1061
|
29
|
13045
|
33526
|
30400
|
OROP beneficial
|
3126
|
30
|
13045
|
33526
|
33625
|
||
31
|
13045
|
33526
|
31725
|
OROP beneficial
|
1801
|
32
|
13045
|
33526
|
32225
|
OROP beneficial
|
1301
|
33
|
13045
|
33526
|
33250
|
OROP beneficial
|
276
|
36
|
31900
|
||||
Slide 19
Major
|
|||||
QS
|
Count
|
OROP rate
|
OROP x 2.57
|
Av of min & max (2018)
|
Whether OROP beneficial
|
16
|
1
|
21530
|
55333
|
47950
|
7383
|
21
|
1
|
22830
|
58674
|
47950
|
10724
|
21.5
|
1
|
22830
|
58674
|
68550
|
Not beneficial
|
22.5
|
1
|
23815
|
61205
|
47950
|
13225
|
24.5
|
1
|
23815
|
61205
|
53000
|
8205
|
Slide 20
Lt Col
|
|||||
QS
|
Count
|
OROP rate
|
OROP x 2.57
|
Average of min &
max (Yr 2018
|
Whether OROP beneficial
|
20
|
2
|
31305
|
80454
|
80100
|
354
|
21
|
13
|
31713
|
81503
|
83575
|
Not beneficial
|
22
|
11
|
32428
|
83340
|
82300
|
1040
|
23
|
7
|
32428
|
83340
|
86825
|
Not beneficial
|
24
|
10
|
32428
|
83340
|
89300
|
Not beneficial
|
34
|
11
|
34765
|
89347
|
81800
|
7547
|
Slide 21
Colonel
|
||||||
QS
|
Count
|
OROP rate
|
OROP x 2.57
|
Av of min & max (
2018)
|
Whether OROP beneficial
|
|
28
|
6
|
35230
|
90452
|
100900
|
Not beneficial
|
|
29
|
9
|
35235
|
90554
|
10900
|
Not beneficial
|
|
30
|
11
|
36130
|
92855
|
102350
|
Not beneficial
|
|
31
|
10
|
36130
|
92855
|
103700
|
Not beneficial
|
|
32
|
26
|
36130
|
92855
|
103700
|
Not beneficial
|
|
33
|
16
|
36130
|
92855
|
95000
|
Not benefical
|
|
Slide 22
Brigadier
|
|||||
QS
|
Count
|
OROP rate
|
OROP x 2.57
|
Average of min &
max (Yr 2018
|
Whether OROP beneficial
|
32
|
3
|
37280
|
95810
|
105850
|
Not beneficial
|
33
|
8
|
37570
|
96555
|
108800
|
Not beneficial
|
33.5
|
9
|
37570
|
96555
|
107350
|
Not beneficial
|
34
|
16
|
37570
|
96555
|
107350
|
Not beneficial
|
34.5
|
17
|
37570
|
96555
|
108800
|
Not beneficial
|
35
|
15
|
37570
|
96555
|
107350
|
Not benefical
|
Slide 23
Colonel (TS)
|
|||||
QS
|
Count
|
OROP rate
|
OROP x 2.57
|
Average of min &
max (Yr 2018
|
Whether OROP beneficial
|
28.5
|
12
|
35230
|
90542
|
100900
|
Not beneficial
|
29
|
19
|
35235
|
90554
|
100900
|
Not beneficial
|
30
|
33
|
36130
|
92855
|
100900
|
Not beneficial
|
30.5
|
45
|
36130
|
92855
|
100900
|
Not beneficial
|
31
|
38
|
36130
|
92855
|
102250
|
Not beneficial
|
32
|
45
|
36130
|
92855
|
103700
|
Not beneficial
|
33
|
39
|
36130
|
92855
|
103700
|
Not beneficial
|
Slide 24
Maj Gen
|
|||||
QS
|
Count
|
OROP rate
|
OROP x 2.57
|
Average of min &
max (Yr 2018
|
Whether OROP beneficial
|
36
|
6
|
38763
|
99621
|
109100
|
Not beneficial
|
36.5
|
13
|
38763
|
99621
|
107500
|
Not beneficial
|
37
|
17
|
38763
|
99621
|
109100
|
Not beneficial
|
37.5
|
10
|
38763
|
99621
|
107500
|
Not beneficial
|
38
|
3
|
38763
|
99621
|
109100
|
Not beneficial
|
Slide 25
Lt Gen
|
|||||
QS
|
Count
|
OROP rate
|
OROP x 2.57
|
Average of min &
max (Yr 2018
|
Whether OROP beneficial
|
39
|
1
|
39500
|
101515
|
112050
|
Not beneficial
|
Army Cdr
|
|||||
38.5
|
2
|
40000
|
102800
|
112500
|
Not beneficial
|
VCOAS
|
|||||
39
|
1
|
40000
|
102800
|
112500
|
Not beneficial
|
Lt Gen (HAG+)
|
|||||
37.5
|
3
|
40000
|
102800
|
112200
|
Not beneficial
|
Slide 26: Effect of Modification dated 18 Aug 2010 on 7th CPC
Rank & Group
|
Hav “Y”
QS=24
|
Nb Sub “Y”
QS=26
|
Sub “Y”
QS=28
|
Sub Maj “Y”
QS=30
|
||
5th CPC
|
||||||
Pay Scale
|
3600-100-5100
|
5620-140-8140
|
6600-170-9320
|
7250-200-10050
|
||
Class Allow
|
50+50+50
|
|||||
Last Pat drawn
|
4400
|
6180
|
7280
|
8250
|
||
Pay for pension (Max of py scale)
|
5100
|
8140
|
9320
|
10050
|
||
Pension= Max of pay scale + 50% of highest class allowance/2 x
QS + weightage /33
|
||||||
QS
|
24
|
26
|
28
|
30
|
||
Pension calculation
|
5100+75/2 x 24=5/33
|
8140/2 x 26+5/33
|
9320/2 x 28+5/33
|
10050/2 x 30+5/33
|
||
Pension
|
2274
|
3824
|
4660
|
5025
|
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Slide 27
6th CPC
|
Hav “Y”
QS=24
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Nb Sub “Y”
QS=26
|
Sub “Y”
QS=28
|
Sub Maj
“X” QS=30
|
Pay Band
|
PB-1 (5200-20200
|
PB-II (9300-34800
|
PB-II 9300-34800
|
PB-11 9300-34800
|
Grade Pay
|
2800
|
4200
|
4600
|
4800
|
MSP
|
2000
|
2000
|
2000
|
2000
|
Group “X” Pay
|
-
|
-
|
-
|
1400
|
Classification Allow (100+100+100)
|
100
|
|||
Pay in Pay Band
|
8190
|
11970
|
14100
|
16590
|
Last Pay drawn (total)
|
13090
|
18170
|
20700
|
24790
|
Pension = Last pay +MSP+GP+Gp X Pay + actual classification x
50%
|
||||
Pension formulation as per 6th CPC
|
6545
|
9085
|
10350
|
12395
|
Pension as per MoD dt 18.8.2010 = Notional max across the
three services in fitment table for 6th CPC corresponding to
the maximum of 5th CPC pay scale for rank & group last
held
|
||||
Emoluments for pension across the three services as per Mod
18.8.2010
|
15210
|
21350
|
23940
|
27180
|
Pension (formulation as per MoD dt 18.8.2010)
|
7375
|
10029
|
11970
|
13590
|
Pension beneficial between two
formulations
|
7375
|
10029
|
11970
|
13590
|
OROP rate as on 1.7.2014
|
7808
|
10405
|
12268
|
14140
|
OROP Rate x 2.57 as on 1.1.2016
|
20067
|
25741
|
31529
|
36340
|
Slide 28
7th CPC
|
Hav “Y”
QS=24
|
Nb Sub “Y”
QS=26
|
Sub “Y”
QS=28
|
Sub Maj
“X” QS=30
|
Pay Level in Pay Matrix
|
L-05
|
L-06
|
L-07
|
L-08
|
Pay in Pay Matrix
|
37000
|
43600
|
50500
|
60400
|
MSP
|
5200
|
5200
|
5200
|
5200
|
Classification allowance (225+225+225)
|
450
|
|||
Group “X” Pay
|
-
|
-
|
-
|
|
Last pay drawn (total)
|
42650
|
48800
|
55700
|
65600
|
Pension as per 7th CPC provisions
|
21325
|
24400
|
27850
|
32800
|
If methodology for calculation of Pension proposed in the same
line of MoD dt 18.8.2010 = Notional max across the three services in pay
matrix of 7th CPC corresponding to fitment table for 6th CPC
which was earlier corresponding to maximum of 5th CPC pay
scale for rank & group last held
|
||||
Emoluments for pension across the three services processed in
the same line of MoD dt 18.8.2010
|
34900
|
50500
|
56900
|
62200
|
MSP
|
5200
|
5200
|
5200
|
5200
|
Classification allowance (225+225+225)
|
450
|
|||
Group “X” Pay
|
3600
|
|||
Notional emolument for pension max across three services
|
40550
|
55700
|
62100
|
71000
|
Pension as per proposed formulation
|
19661
|
26163
|
31050
|
35500
|
Pension beneficial between the two
formulations
|
21325
|
26163
|
31050
|
35500
|
OROP rate x 2.57 as on 1.1.2016
|
20067
|
26741
|
31520
|
36340
|
Rank, Group & QS
Comparison in various proposals
|
Hav “Y”
QS=24
|
Nb Sub “Y”
QS=26
|
Sub “Y”
QS=28
|
Sub Maj
“X” QS=30
|
OROP Rate x 2.57 as on 1.1.2016
|
20067
|
26741
|
31529
|
36340
|
Pension as per 7th CPC provisions
|
21325
|
24400
|
27850
|
32800
|
Pension as proposed on MoD order dated 18 Aug 2010
|
19661
|
26163
|
31050
|
35500
|
Pension in New OROP based on live
data of year 2018
|
21207
|
24250
|
30825
|
35425
|
Slide 30
Rank & QS
Comparison in various proposals
|
Major
QS=24
|
Lt Col
QS=26
|
Colonel
QS=28
|
Brigadier
QS=30
|
Maj Gen
QS=35
|
OROP Rate x 2.57 as on 1.1.2016
|
61205
|
84430
|
90542
|
95797
|
99621
|
Pension as per 7th CPC
provisions
|
53000
|
94100
|
103650
|
107300
|
109100
|
Pension in New OROP based on live
data of year 2018
|
53000
|
94100
|
100900
|
105850
|
109100
|
THANKS
(From:https://sharad10525.blogspot.com/2019/08/comparative-tables-on-revised-new-orop.html)
(SOURCE : STAFFNEWS BLOG)
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