Wednesday, August 31, 2016
Pls find below report on the interaction on 29 Aug 2016 from Brig Sharad Luktuke who represented IESM as i was not able to go due domestic issues.
Justice L.NARASIMHA REDDY assisted by reps of Army, Navy and Air Force visited Pune on 29 Aug 2016 for interaction with Armed Forces veterans. The interaction took place in Dhanvantari Hall, AFMC from 11 a.m. to 2.30 p.m. About 500 ESM including Veer Nari’s were present. Some serving officers to include MG Adm HQ Southern Comd, Sub Area Commander DMSA and Station Commander were also present throughout the proceedings. Col Suhas Jatkar, Director Rajya Sainik Kalyan Kendra briefed all present about the schedule of activities and clarified that all are most welcomed to ask questions and put across their problems/ suggestions. He added that it was a forum open to all. The ESM interested in submitting memorandum were requested to hand over the report at the reception.
After the welcome speech by the representative of the service HQ Honorable Justice L.NARASIMHA REDDY addressed the gathering. He explained the purpose of forming the committee and requested all to confine to OROP issues only. Appreciating the presence of large number of veterans he said he was happy to be among all and promised to cover all questions before closing.
This was followed by PPT presentation by Gp Capt SS Phatak lasting about 25 minutes on behalf of DSW and AF Association. He covered a number a of issues like OROP anomalies; OROP for reservist pensioners; MACP under OROP; Extension of pension tables beyond 33 years; problems in pensions of Lts, Capts, doctors, TA officers;pension problems of JCO/OR; QS issues; delay in arrears of OROP to widows; role of PSA and PDA etc. The presentation was well received by all.
The next event was a brief talk by Col Bhargav on pension/ OROP problems faced by disabled ESM some of whom from paraplegic center were present. He highlighted that they have not received OROP benefit.
The forum was then thrown open to questions from ESM/ Veer Nari’s. In all 42 veterans asked questions/ made suggestions which included officers, JCO’s, OR and Veer Nari’s. Justice Reddy heard all cases very patiently and some of the questions were answered on the spot by the committee members while others were noted for further action/ processing. Questions not pertaining to OROP were politely rejected. Overall, the interaction was very affable and committee members gave convincing responses. They were very accommodating and promised to help in solving some of the veterans’ problems by meeting them after the event. Justice Reddy kept the atmosphere light, relaxed and lively through wit and presence of mind by exchanging a few words of and on.
The HQ Southern Command had clarified before the event that there will be only one presentation and IESM’s request to make the PPT presentation was turned down. I highlighted this point when I spoke besides giving other points as given at the end.
One of the veterans from the audience offered vote of thanks and hoped that Reddy committee will solve pensioners’ problems soon.
The Sub Area Commander then handed over the folder containing memoranda received from veterans to Justice L.NARASIMHA REDDY and thanked him and the veterans for successful conclusion of the interaction.Justice L.NARASIMHAREDDY in his closing remarks appreciated the disciplined manner in which the veterans presented their points/ cases and thanked all present for efficiently organizing the function. He appeared quite satisfied with all arrangements as also with his interaction with the veterans.
Overall, the arrangements including the administrative support were excellent and the function ended on a pleasant note.
Points raised by Brig (retd) Sharad Luktuke, SM, VSM Convener IESM Maharashtra
1. The service HQ refused IESM’s request and did not allow us to make a presentation (PPT) for reasons not known to us. I have handed over the IESM folder which contains our PPT and a number of other important references/ papers. The committee may please examine the contents of folder while making recommendations.
( Note – i. The fact is that interaction on 29 Aug 2016 was directly between ESM and Justice Reddy committee with no one in between. Service HQ (Comd/ Area/ Sub Area/ Any other) cannot stop a national level ESM organization from making a presentation in the manner in which it happened in Pune. This is unacceptable.
ii. Our folder includes the following – Mails exchanged between us and Brig Satish Ghatpande of HQ SC, PPT – 30 slides, PCDA letters of 04.0416-Refixing of OROP pension on average of Min/Max, of 19.04.16 - RTI case on 3% rule, of 26,055.16-Grievances on OROP implementation, Appendix A - 10 Months service rule, Appendix B- Anomalies OROP implementation, Appendix E - a 10-page detailed report on anomalies analysis)
2. The yearly review of pension (one of the major anomalies in OROP implementation) has become an emotional and prestige issue. Even the FM has rejected it out right. We need to look at it objectively. No purpose will be served by reading the portion in Koshiyari Committee out of context wherein it is stated that the service rep and member of K committee accepts revision of pension once if there are any administrative difficulties. Neither the Govt nor CDAP has projected any difficulties. Frankly, there is none as we have fully computerized systems wherein the operations are executed in second/ minutes as against in weeks/ months in the past. The committee is requested to look at the anomaly dispassionately and resolve it in favor of veterans.
3. The accountability of PDA and PSA as brought out by Gp Capt Pathak is a very serious issue that needs to be addressed immediately. The PCDA has become a totally non-responsive organization and banks treat ESM/ Widows issues very carelessly and irresponsibly. Many jawans and widows are going through misery due to this problem which has remained unsolved for all these years despite its urgent nature.
The PPO format of Army, Navy and Air Force is different. Navy, it seems has a very good format. If possible, the committee may take up this issue with the Govt though it is not related to OROP. If this is done, it will solve many problems for the veterans in future.
As highlighted by Gp Capt Phatak there are 70 odd Govt letters on pension matters issued over the past few years. It is an unmanageable problem for the pensioner as well as for organizations involved in solving pension problems to refer to so many letters. It is high time that the Govt reviews all these letters and come out with two or three new policy letters superseding all the old letters. This will go a long way in helping the pensioners in a big way.
Also here are two reports received from WA
From 33 NDA course blog [8/30, 11:48]
Attended the presentation in Pune on OROP. Justice Reddy seemed a genial person n pro Servicemen. Commenced by paying tribute to the Maratha soldiers of IA. Had a sense of humour and listened to points with patience. However, most of the points were already with him since he had visited 5-6 places earlier. He asked Brig Luktuke of IESM why he was not allowed to give a presentation. Brig Luktuke then submitted a copy of the presentation, which I believe was not permitted for reasons best known to the local army authorities. Gp Capt Pathak of Sainik Welfare Org, who gave a presentation, started defensively stating that we servicemen are fortunate because unlike others we don't pay for our pension. Wonder wheter that was called for? Some valid points were put up by various speakers and although a few including some officers made nuisance of themselves, Reddy took it in his stride. The service officers with him looked fairly clued up and were mostly aware of all the anomalies existing in the present OROP.
Looks promising; but ultimately depends on what is finally drafted by the team of Justice Reddy which included a Maj Gen a Rear Admiral, an AF Gp Capt, a Col n a Civilian besides Reddy. Parrikar may condescend condescend; but Jaitley may be the stumbling block.
Officer attendance only about 30 plus. Large number of JCOs n ORs! Coursemates Anil n Naren may add a few points since I am not very knowledgeable as far as OROP is concerned.
What Prakash has said generally covers all the points. A few things struck me were: the presentation of Gp Capt Pathak was lack lusture though he did cover some of the relevant OROP points, as per an officer Lt Col TS wanted pension of Col and another said why Lt Col selection should be equated to TS (don't know what is the official posn), as regards IESM presentation, justice Reddy did show a surprise as to why was the presentation not allowed...the Gen officers on his sides did whisper some thing in his years, but I think that presentation would have been effective and good for all. ND Prasad was also present.
(Source : Via Gp e-mail from Col YC Mehra (Retd)
7th Pay Commission Defence Pay Calculator as per the methods recommended by the Commission in its report submitted to Govt on 19.11.2015
A Brief on New Pay Matrix recommended by 7th Pay Commission for Defence Personnel:
Military Service Pay (MSP)
|JCO / ORs||2000||5200|
|Non Combatants (Enrolled) in the Air Force||1000||3600|
How to fix 6cpc pay of existing Defence Personnel in Pay Matrix
Fitment of existing Defence Personnel Pay in to 7CPC Pay Matrix
The 7th Pay Commission recommendations will be reflected in this month’s salary for central government employees that would be remitted on Wednesday, but not for the military personnel.
According to military sources, their new salaries are yet to be notified as the notification implementing the Seventh Pay Commission has not yet been issued by the Defence Ministry.
This is because the three service chiefs have written to Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar seeking their intervention to fix the anomalies expressed by the military which remain unaddressed despite several representations to the empowered committee and assurances from Mr. Parrikar.
The key demands of the services include Non Functional Upgrade, NFU pay fixation, Military Service Pay (MSP) and common pay matrix for civil and military.
(Source- The Hindu )
1962 - THE WAR THAT WAS NOT (By Shiv Kunal Verma, (Rs 995; PP 425) : when the first Commander-in- Chief of the Indian Army, General Sir Rob Lockhart, went to Nehru with a formal defence paper that needed a policy directive from the prime minister, Nehru had exclaimed: ‘Rubbish! Total rubbish! We don’t need a defence policy. Our policy is ahimsa (non-violence) . We foresee no military threats. As far as I am concerned you can scrap the army - the police are good enough to meet our security needs.’ :: How Nehru, Menon conspired against army chief Thimayya
The Indian army experienced its worst ever defeat during the Indo-China conflict of 1962. This excerpt from Shiv Kunal Verma’s thoroughly researched book shows how Nehru and Krishna Menon conspired to discredit General Thimayya, setting in motion a chain of events that contributed to India’s rout in the Himalayas.
The political manoeuvring by Gandhi in 1938 to sideline Subhas Chandra Bose in the presidential race of the Congress Party virtually handed Nehru the prime ministership of independent India. Bose was perhaps the only Indian political leader who understood the significance of armed power as an instrument of state policy while being aware of modern politics.
With Bose’s exit and Sardar Patel’s death in 1950, there was no one who could provide the necessary inspiration for the reconstruction of an army (that had so far served British interests) into an integrated military instrument that could identify potential threats and tackle them militarily.
Nehru, unlike Bose and Patel, veered away from building military power. Although, when cornered, he was not averse to using it - as in the case of Kashmir in 1947-48 and then Goa in 1961 - for the most part, he talked disarmament, non-alignment and Panchsheel. In a speech delivered at the Kerala Provisional Conference in 1928, Nehru had spelt out his international assessments: ‘No danger threatens India from any direction; and even if there is any danger we shall cope with it.’
No surprise then that when the first Commander-in- Chief of the Indian Army, General Sir Rob Lockhart, went to Nehru with a formal defence paper that needed a policy directive from the prime minister, Nehru had exclaimed: ‘Rubbish! Total rubbish! We don’t need a defence policy. Our policy is ahimsa (non-violence) . We foresee no military threats. As far as I am concerned you can scrap the army—the police are good enough to meet our security needs.’
It’s a different matter that Nehru had to eat his words by the end of October 1947 itself when the tribal hordes invaded Kashmir.
Nehru rejected suggestion that Bose be dealt with as war criminal.Perhaps Nehru could not have reacted militarily when China invaded Tibet in 1950, but since then he had had more than ten years to prepare, from the time General Cariappa had warned him that the army did not have the capability to face the Chinese.
Despite repeated warnings from the army and the various committees, Nehru did very little to address the shortcomings of the army. Nehru was never comfortable with the armed forces - his political indoctrination had - instilled in him a desire to downgrade India’s officer cadre rather than tap their leadership potential and assimilate them into the machinery of government. This in turn created a vacuum in the decision-making chain, into which the civil servants stepped - taking important military decisions that they were not equipped to handle. At a personal level, Nehru was not impressed with most of senior officers and found them shallow, posturing caricatures, generally aping the British in their mannerisms and who had taken no interest in the freedom movement.
To make matters worse, Nehru, along with other politicians, began to develop a deep-seated paranoia about the army. Many other countries that had become independent after World War II fell prey to military coups (the most pertinent example being Pakistan)
As he drove from South Block to Teen Murti, Thimayya was acutely aware of the prime minister’s deep distrust of the military. Even before he took over from General S. M. Shrinagesh, Thimayya had made no bones about the fact that he was deeply distressed by the continuous neglect of the army. Publicly Nehru was seen to be fond of Timmy; however, behind his back, the prime minister adopted tactics that clearly indicated that he viewed Thimayya as a rival who could challenge his position as the undisputed head of the Indian Union.
Given the general’s track record in World War II—Thimayya had been the first and only Indian officer to command a fighting brigade in the Arakan where he had been awarded the Distinguished Service Order (DSO)—and the role played by him in the Jammu and Kashmir Operations, Nehru knew he could not browbeat him.
Nehru let northeast down during 1962 China war, says Kiren Rijiju - Timmy was universally respected. The announcement of his impending appointment had led to an editorial comment in the Times of India : ‘A thrill has just passed through the Army. The signal has gone out that Timmy is on.’
In the meantime, just twenty days before Thimayya took charge of the army, Nehru had replaced the Defence minister, Kailash Nath Katju, with Vengalil Krishnan Krishna Menon.
Nehru was waiting for Thimayya and for the first time, the normally reticent Timmy exchanged angry words with the prime minister. He told Nehru that his arbitrary decision of making NEFA (North East Frontier Agency now called Arunachal Pradesh) the responsibility of the army, made public in Parliament, was pre-posterous and completely against Indian interests.
Thimayya felt that Nehru had completely compromised the army. Without providing the additional resources required, handing over the borders to the army was a meaningless gesture; this would allow the Chinese the opportunity to claim that the Indians were the aggressors, for they always went to great pains to describe their own troops as border guards. Thimayya asked Nehru to find a way out of the mess in the next couple of weeks. Nehru and Krishna Menon knew that the prime minister was in serious trouble.
He had got away with the admission in Parliament earlier in the day only because the triple whammy—ongoing clashes on the border, the construction of National Highway G 219 across the Aksai Chin and the Khenzemane and Longju incidents—had come as a shock to the members of the House.
Thimayya wanted Nehru to undo the mistake; but should the prime minister formally withdraw his statement about deploying the army and revert to the previous arrangement, he would be committing political hara-kiri. The threat of Thimayya taking over the reins of government, at least in Nehru’s mind, was very real.
Nehru asked Kennedy for US assistance during 1962 Indo-China war. Politics is full of subterfuge, and survival. Not only did the Nehru-Menon team now have to survive, they had to neutralize Thimayya.
, Krishna Menon sent for Thimayya in ‘a highly excited state of mind’ and vented his anger at the chief for having approached the prime minister directly, suggesting instead that the matter should have been resolved at his level. Threatening Thimayya of ‘possible political repercussions if the matter became public’ Krishna Menon ended the meeting.
A seething Thimayya promptly sent in his resignation letter.
The letter, which was received by Teen Murti on the afternoon of 31 August, was put up to Nehru who promptly sent for Thimayya in the afternoon. After a long conversation in which the prime minister persuaded the army chief to withdraw his resignation letter in the larger interest of the nation, especially since the problem with the Chinese had flared up, the matter of the resignation was deemed closed. However, after Thimayya’s departure, news of his resignation was deliberately leaked to the media while the subsequent rescinding of the letter was held back. Thimayya resignation made banner headlines the next morning.
The War That Wasn’t by Shiv Kunal Verma, (Rs 995; PP 425).
On 02 Sep 59, the PM once again rose in Parliament to make a statement. He told the Lok Sabha that he had persuaded the chief to withdraw his resignation. He then went on to speak about the supremacy of the civilian authority over the military and then, had surprisingly, proceeded to castigate Thimayya, saying the issues that led to his resignation were ‘rather trivial and of no consequence’, and that they arose ‘from temperamental differences’. He then chided the chief and reproached him for ‘wanting to quit in the midst of the Sino-Indian border crisis’.
Even today, the contents of Thimayya’s resignation letter remain a highly guarded secret. Instead, vague stories about Thimayya’s resignation were routinely floated where it was said that Timmy had resigned out of pique because of the manner in which Krishna Menon treated him.
On careful scrutiny, that doesn’t hold water. The much adored prime minister, who could do no wrong in the eyes of the public, had betrayed General Thimayya.
Trapped in this bad situation, the chief had no option but to quietly endure the humiliation and get on with the job of trying to prepare the army to face the Chinese. The PM’s attitude towards Thimayya was damaging to the Chief as well as the Army.
General Thimayya was a seasoned, disciplined soldier who would hardly have made issues over trifles. After the resignation drama Thimayya was seen as an alarmist and a defeatist.
Having thus weakened the office of the Army Chief, the PM now placed his hope in Lt Gen B M ‘Bijji’ Kaul whose star was on the rise. (Hindustan Times)__._,_.___
(Source- via e-mail from BHARAT BHUSHAN GHAI, VET)
Tuesday, August 30, 2016
My dear God you know that I am growing older.Keep me from becoming too talkative, from repeating all my jokes and anecdotes, and particularly keep me from falling into the tiresome habit of expressing an opinion on every subject.Release me from craving to straighten out everyone's affairs. Keep my mind free from recital of endless details.Give me wings to get to the point.Give me the grace, dear GOD, to listen to others as they describe their aches and pains.Help me endure the boredom with patience and keep my lips sealed,for my own aches and pains are increasing in number and intensity,& the pleasure of discussing them is becoming sweeter as years go by.Teach me the glorious lesson that occasionally, I might be mistaken. Keep me reasonably sweet.I do not wish to be a saint (Saints are so hard to live with), but a sour old person is the work of the devil.Make me thoughtful, but not moody, helpful, but not pushy, independent, yet able to accept with graciousness favors that others wish to bestow on me.Free me of the notion that simply because I have lived a long time,I am wiser than those who have not lived so long. I am older, but not necessarily wiser!
If I do not approve of some of the changes that have taken place in recent years, give me the wisdom to keep my mouth shut.GOD please know that when the end comes, I would like to have a friend or two left.
(Source- via e-mail from BHARAT BHUSHAN GHAI Vet)