Tuesday, October 18, 2016

ANOTHER LETTER ON DL-33 AND 7TH CPC IMPLEMENTATION BY JOSE MATHEW (NAVY VETERAN)

Respected Cdr pathak Sir,

Of course there are anomalies in both De-linking of 33yrs &7th CPC resolution. 

But as I have mentioned earlier, and elaborated by Cdr Pokar Ram sir, the DL 33 should have been with notional maximum from July 2009 and Sep 20012. 

As far as VII CPC, the GOI /MOD DESW already issued Resolution based on 2.57 multification factor which civilians already got in August 2016. However any enhancement in multification factor ( may be 3 or 2.86 etc) will automatically will pass on to Military Veterns also. So why we should we wait for something on which GOI already issued orders/resolution. My primay question was why we need to involve PCDA on this policy matters.  The primary objective of my original mail was to remove PCDA (which is also a colonial left over) from issuing any implemention order for defence veterns as they are only accountants and not policy makers of Union Of India.

It may also like to bring to your kind attention that, any enhancement based on represenations of service chief's will be applicable only to Option I of VII CPC recommendations. The implementation of option 1 is not covered in the MOD/DESW resolution dated 30 September 2016. So we no need to wait for the out come of  service chief's represention as it will only be effected at least after six months. It may noted that, service personal already got a 10% increase wef 01 Januvary on adhoc basis.

And finally regarding our Service Chief's representation to MOD/PM of India. We donot know what they recommended. But I am sure the following core issues of JCOs and below are not there in their priority list.

a)    Up grading of Havildar grade pay to Rs 4200

As you know well that, a civilian charge hand in Naval Dockyard was equal to Petty Officer (Hav in army). Now the charge hand has already been upgraded to Gazetted status with class B and having Grade pay of 4600. The Petty officer still not even in 4200. So at least the Petty officer grade pay should be enhanced to Rs 4200. It may be noted that, a petty officer with 10 years of service is awarded an equalant graduation certificate by GOI.

b)    Up grading of Naib Subaidar grade pay to Rs 4600

It is is the same case as above. A Chief Petty Officer in Indian Navy was above a civilian Foreman in Naval Dockyard but now foreman in Naval Dock is having a grade pay of 4600. So Chief Petty Officer ( Nb Sub in Army) Grade pay also must have to enhanced to Rs 4600.

c)    Granding X group pay to all ranks from Havidar to Subaida Major

Since you have been in Indian Navy and Commander Ahuja sir who also been in Navy will surely agree with me, that, a POELP (petty officer Electrical Power) is always Section-in-charge of Power of war ships and most of the Petty officers are also section in charges of their respective sections. A POELP is the head of Power section of warship and he controls entire power generation and distribution of the warship in harbour and and sea. He is responsible for defect rectification and periodical/planned preventive maintenance of all the electrical Equipments. You also will agree with me that a POELP retires and immediately joins Merchent Navy as Electrical officer. It is the same with all the branches in Indian Navy. whether it is a Radar Plottor/Torpedo Operator/Radar and Radio/Missile Operator. They are all doing same  technical job than an artificer apprentice IV class is doing. Where as an artificer apprentice IV class who is in X group gets huge amount as additional pay in the sake of having an equ deploma  where as a Petty Office Electrical Power who also have the same qualification with more experience is kept equal in pay to Petty Officer Topazz (Toilet cleaning department). If a toilet cleaning department petty officer can be equated with a Petty Officer Electrical who has more responsibility even than an Artficer apprentice IV Class why he can not be placed in X group. So it is the case with all general branch Petty officer and equ.It may be noted that, irrespective of trades, a petty officer with 10 years of service is awarded an equalant graduation certificate by GOI.

It is more intresting to see that, even the Military Nursing Officers are paid double MSP than JCOs and Ors who even dont have degree. They never sails on board/never serves even on ships at harbour. They donot have to face any enemy threat still they are paid with Commissionined officers salary and double Military Service Pay

d)    Same Military Service Pay to all ranks

The bullets donot recognaise who is an officer/ who is a sailor. all the challanges as a militry man has to be face by all irrespective of their ranks. Hope you remebering INS Andaman. We lost the ship at Bay of Bangal. it is not only officers but majority was sailor who did supreme sacrfice. When a ship sails out to enemy waters wheteher it is in Pakistan waters/Sri Lankan waters for IPKF operation or for Ops Pawan or Somalia/sudan peace keeping operations all ranks have to face the same threat. So the military service pay should have been equal to all ranks

e)    Increasing of Pension to 70% of the basic pay from 50% 

Restoring the status of Pre 1973. Over the period of time Militery has been down graded and pension was down to 50%  from 70% of the last pay drawn.

Sir, I dont think any of the above geniune points of JCOs and ORs are in Service Chief's recommendation. We only can address it through one to one emails to Hon Raksha Manthriji and MOD or painfully through Judicial remedy. It is very happy to say that, after Ms Damayanti IAS was took over as JSEW, there is a  facelift in addressing vetern issues. Although she transferred out , hope our Rakshmantriji will soon appoint some senior officers who will have a holistic approach to Military veterns.

Thanking you

Jose Mathew
Ex CHELP

(Source- Via gp e-mail)

14 comments:

  1. Mod has to make officers happy not jco/or to keep the show going and play double standards.officers are happy means forces ok. Who cares the men who are dead.

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  2. Dear jose mathew.don't compare POELP with ARTIFICER 4th class.you ask being section in charge why u r paid less than a midshipman who is a undertrainee officer.v all r in the same boat. Except this point of comparison I join with u for all other points.best of Luck. JOHNSON P J Ex MCEAR

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    1. Can u compare a PRI rp rate petty officer in charge of opsroom in carriers to midshipmen even slts u are talking about artificer 4....

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  3. It may be noted that, a petty officer with 10 years of service is awarded an equivalant graduation certificate by GOI.This certificate is fit to accommodate the dustbin.No one cares. More over it is only for employment purpose.How many veterans got jobs competing the the civil a graduates? May be one or two.No government agency does not give advertisement,mentioning that defence vetrans who have 15 years service will be considered at par with graduates from the civil.Practically the number(count) of jobs is decreasing day by day.Veterans are left to luck only.Joining defence is not a pride.The defence officers themselves started questioning thier subordinates (PBOR and )below),that no one invited them to join.As if they were greeted with red carpets.More over we should start demanding that the civil rights should not be deprived while joining defence.If soldiers enjoy the very same civil liberties as the civilians,then no need of pay commission.All problems will be solved in single day.

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  4. Artificer branch should be abolished if any one finds their job can be done by any other branches in Navy.Let us stop washing the dirty linen in public.The artificer hate syndrome,was an internal matter of the sailors,now you brought it it up to public.It is the right and demanding time for CNS to take some some concrete steps to reorganize or to regroup the sailors based on purely on qualifications in the entry level itself,so that this TU TU ,MAI MAI business comes to an end.The age old British pattern of governing the armed forces needs revamping because they were master slave based principles. strucure

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  5. With service rendered has no meaning less service more benefit more service less benefit . Jco taken for ride.this dl33 misleads soon we will see trend of trainees running away since now as I get some good knowledge min service more benefit.fauj mein sirf officer's and politicians kaam karenge. Baaki baag jayenge.they are making fool and fun of jcos who are actual backbone on any military service

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  6. It is to mentioned that even in Govt. sector with grade pay 4200 gets same responsibility as an Petty Office of Navy two or the man works under his responsibility and accountable for his section as senior workman. As an example a senior Accountant or senior Auditor in CAG and AAO with grade pay 4800 head the section. I experienced in CAG an Accountant with grade pay 2800 is purely a workman with less responsibility as a Naik in Army or Leading in Navy. This matter must be reviewed and teken up to authorities.

    Mukesh Kumar
    EX Navy
    Accountant in CAG

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  7. Dear Jose Mathew, A related bit of information may come to you and others concerned as surprise. Navy Artificers III - I, who since inception are Chief Petty Officers and thus equivalent to Naib Subedar,who are in X group and are also Diploma holders by virtue of their four years apprenticeship were placed in a grade pay of Rs 3400/-. ( An exception in whole of India ) as against Rs. 4200/- grade pay for CPOs of Y group since VI CPC. No one from the Navy helped this group to clear the anomaly and get justice. Instead the Navy itself vehemently supported the anomaly and they (Artificers)had approached the courts for justice. The case is still pending in Supreme Court when the VII CPC is under implementation. So much for the caring services headquarters, leave apart Babus of the MOD and other bureaucracy.

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  8. Dear Jose Mathew

    I am in full agreement and endorse the views of VK Khurana regarding factual position of
    X gp , artificier/mechnician III-I placed in specially introduced 3400 Grade pay , just to
    Deprive the legitimate grade pay of 4200 .
    Whereas being equvalent to the rank of CPO /Nb Sub

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  9. Subsequent to Ramkrishan Plaha's supporting comments, I may add that Artificers ( both apprenticeship entry and direct diploma holders entry) as also Mechnicians III - I, have been badly and unfairly treated by the Navy. They are the only Diploma holders placed in Rs 3400/- grade pay by the VI CPC. Do such injustice to a civilian group and see the difference in approach from their respective departments. Artificerare, on the other hand, are still struggling for justice in Supreme Court.

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  10. Subsequent to Ramkrishan Plaha's supporting comments, I may add that Artificers ( both apprenticeship entry and direct diploma holders entry) as also Mechnicians III - I, have been badly and unfairly treated by the Navy. They are the only Diploma holders placed in Rs 3400/- grade pay by the VI CPC. Do such injustice to a civilian group and see the difference in approach from their respective departments. Artificers, on the other hand, are still struggling for justice in Supreme Court.

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